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Hey, thanks for the introduction, Vickyand good morning, everybody.As Vikki mentioned, I'm Jay Turner.I am the owner of EduJayLLC.It's always a pleasure for meto get back working with folksin public libraries.I'm not sure if some ofyou know, or you might evenremember my name, but I wasa long-time library professional.I literally grew up in libraries,started shelving books when I wascareer of almost 20 years whereworked for a large suburban librarysystem in Atlanta; was the directorof continuing ed and training fora state library; and then ultimatelymy career took a little bitof a different path as Iwent off to work for theAmerican Red Cross for about fiveand a half years.And then finally in my lastfull time role worked, I workedfor a private equity firm thatwas in the waste to energybusiness.I'm happy to be here todayto share my experience in managementand leadership.This is a very hot andsalient topic because we all knowthat we have people who areemerging in their own management andleadership practice, as well as peoplewho've been doing this for awhile.And there is never enough opportunityto enhance and hone what wedo.So we're going to take adeep dive in that today, aswe talk about Don't Step inthe Leadership and we're going tolook at some management and leadershipfundamentals.Okay.So I have a question andyou all can just respond herein the chat box.I'm just trying to get asense of the level of peoplemanagement experience that we have onthe line here today.So if you would just dropin the chat, how many yearsof people management experience you have?I have it kind of color-codedup here.So hey, if you haven't hadany experience, you can just giveus a zero that is allwell and good.That means that you are aspiringto a role.You know, if this is somethingthat you've done for a littlebit of time, getting your toeswet, it is all good.I like it when the toesare wet, particularly if the water'swarm.And then, you know, we gotsome folks, Hey, this ain't myfirst rodeo.If you've been doing this forfive to 10 years, let usknow.And then finally, I like tojoke about this.I'm a Southern boy.You know, we love our seasoningsalt.You might as well call meMorton's because I'm well-seasoned.Okay.So I'm looking over in thechat here.Now we have like a goodrange of experience with thefolks on the line.You know, we have one individualwho has less than a year,so they're relatively new to thegame.It looks like the majority ofpeople are folks who have theirtoes wet.And then, you know, we've gotpeople who've been doing this fora whole minute.As we say down in Georgia,doing it for a whole minute,you've been doing it for overa decade.So I think this is great.And the reason why I'm ahuge fan of like this wealthof diversity of experience we havein this class is that weall have something that we canlearn from each other.So it doesn't matter if you'vebeen doing this for one year,you've been doing it for 25years, if you haven't even hada chance yet to do anypeople management, we can all learnfrom each other today.And so regardless of your experiencelevel, I am hoping and definitelyhopeful that there'll be a fewgolden nuggets that you can takeaway from today's presentation to makeyou an even stronger manager andleader.So we've got quite a bitof ground to cover today.You know, the bottom line iswhen we talk about, you know,like the success of a library,we know that the success ofa library or any organization isonly as powerful as the peoplewho work within it.And so like for individuals likeyou on the line of theday, those folks who are aspiringto be managers or people whoare already in the role, youknow, we have to continue todevelop our supervisory and managerial skillset so that we can assurethat our organizations are as successfulas they possibly can be.And so I'll look at thissession today, the 90 minutes thatwe have together today as beingsomething that's core and foundational toyour leadership development, it doesn't matterhow long you've been doing it.And I have four main areasthat I want to talk abouttoday.So we're going to kick thingsoff and we're going to talkabout, you know, self-awareness, how canyou demonstrate improved self-awareness.And then we're going to talka little bit about, you know,what exactly are our roles andresponsibilities as people who manage otherpeople.And then we start getting intolike some of that more nittygritty stuff.And that is, you know, whenwe're having to manage the workand we're also having to managethe people, you know, how canwe best manage our time? Becausethe bottom line is we allget 1,440 minutes in a dayand that time can be eatenup very quickly by competing demands.And then finally, we're going tohave an opportunity to discuss opportunitiesfor keeping your teams engaged, becauseI dare say that the successof your work unit and thesuccess of your organization is allgoing to depend on, you know,how much people are willing togo above and beyond to supportnot only the organization, but tosupport the organization's goals -and that's why engagement is soimportant.Okay.So with all that said, Ijust a couple things around housekeeping.I like to treat these onlinesessions, just the same way thatI would do if we werein person in a classroom together,you know, you don't have towait till the ant to askany questions.I like to view this asa free flowing dialogue.As much as I love tohear the sound of my ownvoice and to see my beautifulface, this, this is the goodside of my face all theway.You know, I really do liketo, to just kind of havethat dialogue with you all.So if you have questions orcomments, please bring those up aswe go.I also would really encourage folksto participate.I believe that this is asession where are you going toget as much out of itas you put into it,so if you do have theability to turn on your microphone,or if you do have aweb cam, you know, consider participatingthat way.And even if you can't chatit's A-OK.You know, I know that sometimeswe have technological constraints, but pleasejust engage with everyone because wehave a lot to learn fromeach other.The other thing here too, isthat I know that library landis small.Believe me, I grew up init.So we play ball Vegas rules.What we say here, what happenshere, stays here.And also I asked that sincewe have people who have differentlevels of experience on the linethat day, let's, let's all justkind of check our titles atthe door, you know, today, youknow, we're not a circulation supervisor.Today, we're not a head librarian.Today, we're not a director or,you know, or a COO ofa library or any other organization.We're all here as learners whowere looking to just get justa little bit better at ourleadership development.Finally, before class, I believe thatVikki sent a link to themicro website that I made forthis course.It did have a resource packetthat you will need today.I do believe in interaction.And so I have a coupleof assessments that I'm going tochallenge you to do while we'reworking together today.Don't worry, even if you don'thave time to do them whilewe're together, I at least wantto go through that packet andlet you know what you shouldand could be doing, you know,asynchronously on your own time ifyou can't do it with ustoday.So if you don't have thatpacket, the link is right hereon the screen and I willalso drop it in chat yougive me just one second.Okay.Well, something like that.Just real quick, you know, ifyou could, in the chat, letme know just with a quick,you know, Y or an N,do you, do you have thatresource packet available to you rightnow? All right.Okay, great.Great, great.Okay, so everybody should be good.All right.So the very first thing thatwe're going to start off talkingabout today is self-awareness.And I'm curious, you know, Imean, just about people on thephone with some of the crowd,what, how do you define self-awareness?What is self-awareness? If you're ableto come off mute, feel freeto do so, and if not,just drop it in chat.I mean, what do you thinkwe mean by self awareness? Takinga look here in the chatbox.All right.So Sharon says the ability tosee yourself as others see you.Love it, love it, love it!Any other thoughts? All right, Katiefrom Manatee is knowing your skillsand your weaknesses.Yeah, absolutely.And I'll just kind of outcalibrate.So I've been working in leadershipdevelopment for a really long timeand we like to call weaknessesareas of opportunity.So, you know, but I stilllike this, you know, knowing, knowingyour skills and knowing your areasof opportunity.That's great.How about one more than anybodyelse? All right.It's all good.So, I mean those are tworeally good definitions of self-awareness, andultimately, when we talk about self-awareness,what we're really looking at isour ability to be conscious of,you know, of our own character,our feelings, our motives, and ourdesires.Now, I want you to thinkabout that.You know, we are having asession here today where we're talkingabout like the fundamentals of leadershipand we're starting off with self-awareness.So why do you think thatwe're starting with self-awareness today?All right, opening the chat here.Yeah, here we go.So we have some responses comingin.All right.So Cynthia says, you know, youneed to know yourself well, andI totally agree with that.And Katie builds upon that bysaying, you have to know yourselfto be able to lead others.And, and, and that right theremade that that's like hitting thenail on the head.You know, we have to beaware of our own strengths andour own areas of opportunity sothat we can make it apoint all the time to tryto get better in, in, inboth those ways.Right? If you're all, if youalready have a strength, you know,what's something that you can dotoday to become a little bitstronger.And if you have an areaof opportunity, I mean, you needto be aware of itso that it doesn't become thisthing that's going to be debilitatingor a career Staller as we'lltalk about in just a littlebit.And, and ultimately us being self-aware,you know, being able to modelthat told the people that weworked with and the people thatwe, that we directly have onleadership, on extra responsibility, over, it'sa great model for them aswell.So what I want to dohere now, and this is goingto be another chat exercise.I hope everybody's things and niceand warm.Don't have your fingers out ofcoffee.I know mine haven't, but youknow, we're gonna make sure thatUSA so quick chat exercise.I think this is ethics, alot of fun, but let's gofor it.So what I want you todo is first, I want youto take just a minute, 60seconds and think about your favoritemanagers throughout your career, and whatwere some of the strengths thatthey had that they demonstrated consistently.So favorite managers, and what werethose things that they did really,really well, where you would saythat was a towering strength ofwhat made them a good manager.Let's leave those pop up inthe chat.All right, here we go.We got responses coming in.Okay.Excellent.Culture scales, right? I mean, thesepeople were fair, you know, kindof building on coaching skills, theysupport it, your growth, it wasn'tall about them.It was, it wasn't all aboutthat manager was about going withthe people.You know, we have Sharon againsaying they list, they listened andacted as if they cared aboutyou as a person.So there, there will personable.And they, and they had, they,they cared about your wellbeing.Other, other thoughts that came uphere too, you know, empathy, patience,you know, encourage them with flexibilityand teamwork.These folks retain players.Good mentors.Absolutely.I mean, when I think aboutsome of my favorite managers, Ijust consider what I am rightnow in my career.And I can unequivocally say thatif it wasn't for like ahandful of really good managers, mylife wouldn't be the way thatit is.You know, people actually took thetime to, to know me, toget to know where I wasstrong to help put me ina nimble help to put mein places where I could playup to my strange, they helpedme.They helped me identify, you know,face what I could do tobecome even better at what Idid.They pretty much like a person.I mean, these are all greatthings.Now let's flip this around becauseyou know, let's do it.I'll call the tea.I smell some tea for me.All right.Now, what I want you todo is I want you tothink about the absolute worst managersthat you've had and what weresome of those things that theydid, like the weaknesses that theydid consistently, that was like, youknow what, oh my goodness, thismanager sucks.So let's get some of thoseexamples right there.What was some of those thingsthat they show with the horriblemanagers?Can we get some good what'scoming in here too? And whenI noticed that I love doingthis exercise because, you know, weget a lot of good examplesfor like the good things thestrong managers do.But just some you say, what,what are some of the characteristicsand the weaknesses of your worstmanagers like that, Chad Basha skillsbeing, being, maybe it's like, great.When the hotline bling, you know,it's coming in.All right.So lots of great responses here,like literally had no clue abouttheir job.Yeah.We're going to talk a littlebit about that.But I mean, I absolutely abhorworking for managers who didn't knowwhat they were doing, other thingscoming up here, you know, rude,you know what I mean? Like,I don't want to got timefor that.You know, who wants a Rudymanager, great other things coming inhere to, you know, always lookinglike they were waiting for meto fail.And then other folks are saying,you know, like some of thesemanagers made decisions in a silowithout asking for staff input, orthey weren't proactive in solving problems.And they did communicate well orthey didn't communicate at all.So here's the thing, you know,we know what, what good managementlooks like.And we also are keenly awarewhat bad management feels like.And the thing is, you know,throughout today, I'm going to bechallenging you to challenge some ofthe assumptions about yourself.And so you don't have toanswer this, but I just wantto, I want you to keepthese two questions in the backof your mind, right.Because we're going to be talkinga lot about strengths and opportunities.So, so first, when you thinkabout those Trello managers, you know,think about all of those strengthsthat we'll list it on, oninside of chat.And then think about like, well,you know, which ones really resonatewith me? Which ones do Ido? And I do these well,you know, recognize your strengths asmy dad says, you know, abet, like I said, I'm notfrom south.You look at Atlanta Falcons, flag,mobile, I'm from Atlanta.It ain't bragging if it's true.Right.So give yourself some credit forwhere you're strong, but also Iwant to challenge you to lookin the mirror.And if you have any characteristicsof some of those managers, youknow, that you weren't quite fondof.And if you display some ofthose weaknesses, you know, take noteof those, right.If you have like a penand a paper with you rightnow, just take note of thoseand think about, you know, allof these things that I wantto or should improve so thatI can so that I canbe an even better people manager.All right.So before we move a littlebit further and talking about thecharacteristics of an effective manager, justwant to pause really quickly tosee if we have any questionsor comments before we go further.All right.Look, I'm like all this quieton the Western front when itcomes to the chat.So let's talk a little bitabout the characteristics of an effectivemanager.So I'm a huge fan ofresearch and I've been working exclusivelyinside of the leadership development space.Now for my gosh, almost thelast decade.And one of the biggest namesand leadership development is Korn ferry,Korn ferry, K O R NF E R R Y.Some of you might, might knowof Korn ferry, but clarinet theorysays that regardless of what levelof leadership you're in, there arethree core characteristics that you needto possess.If you go on to besuccessful in any people manager positionand those things I have upon the screen near, it's yourknowledge, it's your interpersonal skills andit's your ability to drive forresults.So when we talk about knowledge,you know, we know that accordingto corner theory, high performing managersare folks who not only havethe technical knowledge of how todo the job, but they alsohave the business sense of, youknow, how to prioritize, how toorganize and how to make sounddecisions.And this is really important.You know, when I talk aboutthis knowledge piece, particularly for peoplewho are, who've just gotten theirtoes wet and management, or whoare considering, you know, moving intoa manager role and they haven'thad that experience yet.And that is, you know, theskills that got you, you know,recognition and street credit, and areputation of a good reputation asan individual contributor.I mean, that's just the baselinefor, what's going to make youan effective people manager.Like I like to tell people,you know, what got you here,ain't going to take you there.So, so you do have tohave like a sense of both,right? You have to have, butyou have to have the technicalskills of doing the job.But then there's also that there'salso that business orientation of organizing,planning and producing.And then we talk about theinterpersonal skills.You know, those managers who arehigh-performing around Korn Ferry's metrics, theseare people who are they're, they'reauthentic.They have, they have high integrity,they're people of character.And they are folks who arevery emotionally intelligent.And so, you know, when Ikind of talk about this model,these three things you see onthe screen here, as far asknowledge, interpersonal skills and driving forresults, I'm going to, you'll probablyhear me refer to this as,Hey, it hard and feet, right?Your head is like, what, youknow, that's your knowledge your isto interpersonal skills and high-performing managersnot only have the knowledge, theyhave the interpersonal skills, they havethe heart, you know, to inspirepeople and to have that respectand credibility to get people toact.And they finally, they drive results.And we're going to delve intothat polar delve a little bitlater, but you know, the mosthigh-performing managers are people who canget things done and they getthings done in two ways, right?They have, they, they are ableto drive results because they aregood with people and they candrive results because they are goodwith managing the work.Oftentimes within, within developing leaders, yousee folks who are good atone or the other, but I'mhere to tell you today thatyou have to marry both ofthose things that you want tosuccessfully drop yourself for your organization.So a big thing that we'regoing to be talking about today,and I've already mentioned it iscompetencies, right? And so I'm justgoing to put up here onthe screen.Again, I go back to mypeople at Korn ferry and theyhave a really good quote aroundwhat competencies are, but essentially, youknow, competencies are the knowledge, theskills and the behaviors that youhave to possess in order tobe successful in a particular roleand Korn Ferry's quote, I thinkreally sums up very well.What we mean by these competencies.So, you know, competencies are theessential ingredients of success at workdistilled into scales and behaviors thatyou can observe.And I want to really puta very big emphasis on thatlast word observed, you know, peoplecan have the scales, they canhave the behaviors, but when itcomes to performance, like you haveto be able to see itso that you have to beable to observe it.You know, these competencies include functionaland technical skills as well asmanagement skills that contribute to betterleadership, such as resourcefulness courage ordecision quality.When we look at Korn Ferry'sresearch across all industries, across alllevels of management, they are, arefive, five core managerial competencies thatKorn ferry says that you know,that you need to build andhave a strength in if youwant to be successful for yourorganization.So I'm going to put thoseup on the screen here.I'm going to give you justa moment to kind of readthrough them and yourselves.You know, I know that everybodyhere on, you know, on theline, the, on the very smartfolks don't even read it toyou, but these five competencies justat a high level, it is,like I said, is driving forresults is planning on aligning issituational adaptability, decision quality and directingwork.So you have to have thosefive competencies if you're going tobe successful, excuse me, as amanager.Okay.So here's what I want todo.I want to do a littlebit of a competency, self assessment.So I smelled that it lookslike everyone here had the resourcepacket available to them.So what I'm going to doat some point naturally put atimer up on the screen.I'm going to give you fiveminutes and I want you toactually go through and do a,a self competency inventory that's insideof your resource packet.So just really quickly, I'm goingto hop out of my presentationand I'm going to bring theresource packet out.And so the first page it'sout of that resource, that I'veprovided you all a private class,the system manager competency assessment.You'll notice that cascading down theleft-hand side of the screen here.These are the five competencies thatI mentioned that Korn ferry saysyou really have to have, ifyou want to be, you know,high performing manager.So driving for results, planning andaligning situational adaptability, et cetera.What I want to do isI'm going to give you fiveminutes and I want you toread through the description of, youknow, each of the behaviors thatcomprise this competency, if they don'twant you to rate yourself on,on, on like these behaviors.So for instance, on the drivingresults, you know, if you havea strong bottom line orientation, there'sa, a drop menu.If you can indicate, is thisa strength?Is this an opportunity or areyou skilled at it real quickly?The key here, if something isa strength, that means that youare a rock star in it.You know, this is something that,you know, you do well, otherpeople know you do well, andyou can mark it as astrength.If you have something that isa weakness, it's an opportunity, right.You know, so you can markit as, you know, I havean opportunity to get better atthis behavior as it relates tothis particular competency.And then finally, if you're skilledat something, but that means that,Hey, you know, you're competent.You're, you're good enough at it.You know, you might not bea rock star, but you alsodon't stink at it.And that's okay.You know, what I found throughouttime is that as I've had,like all the library, staff membersand folks in the for-profit worldand non-profit world kind of dothis, no one ever has likeall strengths and no one everhas like all the opportunities attamps, the, to run the gamutof responses.But I, I want you tojust like, do this, take fiveminutes, go with your gut.And just be honest with yourself,you don't have to share theseresults, but I think this isa great self development tool foryou.So what questions do you havefor me before I give youfive minutes to go through justthe first page of the assessment,don't go any further, just dothe manager competency assessment questions.But when I, once going twice,can I get like a Yor a yes.In the chat box, if you'reready to do this.All right, here we go.Folks are ready.Okay.All right.If you will, please, I'm goingto give you a timer forfive minutes.Go ahead and do this assessment.Do not move forward in thepacket.And here we go.I'm going to share a timerwith you flip over to yourworkbooks, do page one and go.It's one of that, you know,you're down to about the twominute warning.And again, don't worry about it.If you don't have an opportunityto make it through this allin one, sitting again, this resourcepackages for you, and you cantake it home with you.All right.About another minute, 30 seconds now,and then we'll come back andreconvene 9, 8, 7, 6 5year or something like that.Alrighty, here we go.Let's get out of this timerand get back to our presentation.It's hiding in here somewhere.So that is always the, the,the challenge of having like threemonitors on like an octopus.And I'm like, where's my PowerPoint.I gotta find it.Give me one more second ayear, go back to sharing overthere and what PowerPoint is hiding.It's coming back.Okay, here we go.Shift.Well, okay.We got it.We did the assessment.Okay.So, you know, my question toyou all is when you're lookingat that reflection that we justdid, what we had you reflectedon your strength and your, youknow, your opportunities for, for improvementin the world.So just my question, quick question.You can put in a chathere, you know, how would usingthe strengths? You identify help youto be more successful as amanager, you can just go aheadand toss those in India, chatbotsfor me, how can rely onyour strengths to make you evenmore successful as a people manager?Well, you know, we don't haveanything coming in, but you know,here we go, you know, okay.So w we have someone comeand answer, if you can definitelyshare your knowledge.And then, you know, I'm alsoa fan of the, this trainof thinking.I believe I, Stephen Covey saidit best, you know, if you'realready strongest something, there's nothing wrongwith sharpening the sword and becomingeven better at what you, whatyou're currently strong in.And we have some other thingscoming in.Here's how to chat as well.You know, when, when you mightneed someone else for advice.Yeah, absolutely.I mean, that goes back toself-awareness as we talked about, andthen finally, I love this.I love this love, this love,this Sharon says, you know, thisshows that maybe we're better thanwe think that maybe we're betterat this than we think thatwe are.I can't tell you how manytimes I say through, well, maybeI've seen, I've seen it severaltimes throughout my career where, youknow, we kind of get intothese positions of management and wefeel like lightening imposter syndrome, right.And it's like, you know, gonnaget found out, but I don'tknow how to do this, oryou know, that I don't havethese good business skills, but thenwhen you actually sit down withan objective assessment based on competencies,you can really see where you'regood.You can give yourself some credit.So thanks for bringing that up,because this is a very validatingexercise.Now we won't go too muchon this one, but I alsowant to just kind of throwout this devil's advocate question.And that is, you know, wehave to be thinking about howam I over-relying on our strengths,hinder us, you know, if weuse a strain too much, howcan it hinder us? And ina nutshell, you know, if youare relying too strongly on oneor two things that you dogreat, it might make your vision.You might have tunnel vision, oryou might be very myopic aroundyour approach to how you handlesituations.So for instance, and I'm notgoing to bring the assessment backup, but I know this aboutmyself.So I know that one thingthat I'm very strong and issituational adaptability, you know, I'll letthe joke, you know, I mean,I'm a big guy, you know,I weight 275 pounds.I like to say for abig guy and I'm flexible.And not only does that applyto me physically, but also tomy work style as well.So I can easily adapt tothings that come my way.You know, you throw a wrenchat me.I mean, okay, well, I'll justpick it up, throw it rightback at you real, really adaptable.But what I found is, asI move further into my career,and as I, it has, Ihad, you know, increased our responsibilitiesas I took on more leadershipresponsibility, that situation I've got theability.I was always going back toit as my ACE in thehole.And as a result, I wasn'tplanning as well as I shouldhave been.And we solved it.You know, planning is also oneof those things on that checklisttoo.So, you know, that's just onevery specific example of how youcan, over-utilize the strength to apoint where it can become, youknow, where it can become aweakness and where it can almoststall you in your own personaland professional development.So now I want to talka little bit about career stallerscause we talked about the goodand we also just kind ofmentioned, well, what happens if weoveruse the strength? So here, hereare a few things that weknow, and we know based onresearch that there are five careerstalling behaviors, and it doesn't matterwhere you are in your career.You know, any one of uscan have the, so, you know,even for some of my folkswho were like Morton season assault,you know, when we did that,that intro exercise people who've beendoing this for like 10 plusyears, 20 years, 25 years, youcan still have career stallers, evenif you've been in this gamefor a whole minute.And then also, you know, stolenbehaviors are oftentimes very difficult toself-diagnose and it's because, you know,we're living in it and theseare all behaviors.And they're so implanted in usthat sometimes that we can't objectivelypull back and see what wehave the installers.So what I want to doright now is just to kindof go through really quickly, youknow, what are some of thosetop stolen behaviors? Now, of course,you know, me, I'm all aboutthe interaction.I couldn't go through these onethrough five, but I would liketo put it out to theaudience, which one of the installersdo you want to cover? Firstperson that responded to chat kindof wins.So what do we want tostart? Which dominant behavior, all right,we're going to go with numberfour, reacting negatively to criticism, allright.Criticism, criticism, criticism.This is, this is actually areally good one.So we know that that, thatfolks, you know, ourselves included sometimescan be very sensitive to receivingcriticism.One thing, that one thing thatI've learned throughout my own career,and one thing that I coacha lot of my aspiring leadersand even my season leaders, whenI do executive coaching.And that is, you know, whenwe hear criticism it, I challengepeople to take it as feedback.And that is, you know, usuallywhen someone is giving you afeedback, even when it is critical,they are telling you something ingeneral, I'm not saying this isalways the case, but usually someoneis showing you some amount ofconcern and care when they're givingyou feedback, because they don't wantto see you repeating the same,you know, potential mistakes that you'remaking.And, and they would like tosee you, you know, maybe dobetter work or come across ina different way.So when, when I think aboutfeedback, I really have to tellmyself, okay, let me, let meturn my emotions off.You know, let me not respondis like a big angry guy.And let me just listen, becausethere might be just a littlenugget of truth, even if Idon't agree with the way thatsomeone saying something, there might bea nugget of truth in therethat might help me become betterat what I do.So it's not fun getting feedback.It's not fun getting that kindof criticism.It's also not fun for theperson who has to, has todeliver it.And, and we know this becausemany of us, my own, thehere already managers, like nobody hasfun, you know, delivering criticism, youknow, unless you're kind of sadisticand you're just like, you know,knocking people down a pig, butwe should go into any kindof situation.We get a feedback or criticismassuming positive attendance, positive intent.Now what happens is if we,if we react negatively to criticism,you know, folks are going tosee us as closed off.They're not going to want toshare that criticism with us anymore.And that is going to makeit where like the people thatyou work with and the peoplewho work with you, they're alsogoing, they'll probably also have atendency to withdrawal and not engagewith you or the rest ofthe team, the way that youneed them to, in order tobe highly performing a highly perfective,a highly performing and highly effective.So, so again, I just encourageeveryone to, you know, not overreact negatively to criticism.It has very negative consequences, youknow, when we come across asdefensive, but rather challenge yourself to,to listen to, you know, isthere a really a real messagebehind this where I might beable to improve and remember to,to assume positive intent? All right.So we did number four.What do we want to gonext?All right.Morgan says, number one, focusing tooheavily on the details.All right, here's the thing, right?We know the details are important,you know, and I know this,and this is so, so hardfor me because I'm not, I'mnot, I'm not a details person.You know, I like to, youknow, have like a high-level planand have the skeleton of anoutline and then, you know, justkind of figure out the detailslater or have somebody else tohave the details.But the thing is, you know,details are really important.And I know that sometimes whenwe're dealing with details, it's reallyeasy to get buried within theweeds of what we're doing.And if we focus too muchin the weeds of where weall are, is hard, it's hardto really get a sense of,you know, what are the, whatare the real needs of thisundertaking that we're trying to accomplish?Whether it's a project, you know,whether, you know, I mean, whetherit's like an initiative that you'redoing for your library, you know,organization, or for your branch, ifyou get too caught down inthe weeds, then you are basicallyfocusing on so much that, thatyou're ignoring everything else.I'd like to say that everythingwe say yes to say noto something else.And so if we say yesto getting bogged down into theweeds, I mean, there's this entireforest, you know, this going aroundus.And there are probably more weedsI was finding around out therethat we're not even able tosee.And so this is really importantbecause, you know, the further wego in our careers, the higherour levels of responsibility become theless we can afford to getburied in the weeds.And so this is why it'simportant that as S managers, thehigher up we go, and themore responsibility that we get, westart letting go of kind beingburied in the weeds of whatgot us here as individual contributorsand started looking for ways to,to, to delegate a lot ofthat work so that we canhave a better handle on ourincreased responsibilities.All right.So we did four, we didone wasn't next.All right.Jennifer says number three, easily swayedabout other people's opinions.Okay.So like it's so important thatwe, that, that, that we listento other people's viewpoints on ourteam, you know, from our administration,like we have to always bewilling to, to listen and considerother people's viewpoints.However, we have responsibility to like,not be too easily swayed bysomeone else's viewpoints.So the thing is this, youknow, as a manager, you alwayshave to have a plan, regardlessof what you're undertaking, whether it'sa complex or simple, you needto have a plan and youneed to have like a goalfor what you want to seeaccomplish and do your best tostick with it.Now, of course, I mean, you'regoing to get information that comesin all the time from differentpeople at different levels.And you kind of have toconsider that.And the thing is, if someonebrings you good information and youknow, it, you know, it feelsright.If this data inform, you know,you listen to that good information,but what you want to avoiddoing is constantly, flip-flopping your planof approach because I mean, whathappens if you have a planand then you change it frequently?I mean, just like, what, whatare the real risk of that?If you change plans frequently, youcan just drop it in thechat box.Yeah.I mean, you know, the realityis if we, if we wereconstantly flipping out strategies, people aregonna lose their faith in ourability to, to lead them.You know? I mean, I'm notsaying any of that and youjust have to stick to yourguns, but, you know, I mean,be very aware and very informedbefore you switch, but before youswitched gears and I liked whatJennifer says, Sarah too, and Jenniferand Katie, both Jennifer says that,you know, no one knows theyneed to be doing if you'reflip flopping.Absolutely.I mean, there's so much wastedtime when you flip flop.And then I, Katie says thatit can be frustrating to thepeople who actually put in thework on the referral plan.And then all of a suddenyou're just like, bring the plansout the window.And you know, I, I'm noteven going to go here, butI guarantee you that if youjust kind of think back tothe, like the last three yearsof your professional life, you know,I guarantee that each person onthe phone here getting probably hitus like a horror story orone that they can just chucklethat, where it, the same waysomeone had a good plan, ormaybe even you had a goodplan and then it changed.And then, you know, people hadthese as that reactions like, well,I just spent six months workingon this and now it's different,you know, or this thing aboutthe right thing to do fortheir organization.And all of a sudden nowyou're telling us that it's notright.So these things happen all thetime.Do your best, not to bethat flopper.All right.So we hit one, we hitfour, we hit three, we downthe two and five, which oneyou want to do next?All right.Sharon says five micro-managing direct reports.Okay.Hey, here's the thing.We all we all know aboutthis one, right? Just don't doit.If you can help it.You know, one of the, oneof the major things that wesee with folks who are eithergrowing into their management role, oreven folks who have been inthat role for a while, butthey had like a great affinityfor what they were doing previously.And that is people often havea hard time letting go ofwhat they were doing.You know, I mean, a bigpart of, for me, I canonly speak for myself personally.So, you know, and in mycareer, like even when I wasin libraries, I spent almost 20years in libraries, right.But th the last half ofmy career in libraries, it wasall around training and training andorganization development.And as I move up higherin those roles of training andorg development, there were still partsof my word.And I didn't want to letit go off.Like I love presenting, you know,I love designing e-learning, I'll lovealumni management system, but as myresponsibilities grew, and I started workingwith more people, I had ahard time letting go of thosethings, because that gave me credibility.It was comfortable.Right.But when you're sitting at adirector's level, what made do youreally have time to be downthere designing like every single PowerPointthat you're trying to do issupposed to be doing well? Ofcourse not.So, so you have to learnhow to delegate.And we know that for a,for a variety of reasons, peopleoften have a hard time delegatingand they tend to micromanage.We're going to talk a littlebit more about micro-managing and lettinggo.And just the moment.And so lastly, I think theonly one we haven't covered istwo.And I'll just go to thatautomatically real quick.And this is a jumping hastyconclusions.I mean, this happens when weget to a conclusion too quicklywithout considering like all the fats,all the data, all the viewpoints,and most importantly, maybe not socializing,whatever we're doing with the rightpeople.So we make a lot of,and you know what they sayabout assumptions, you know, when youassume too many things, particularly asyou are higher up inside ofthe manager ranks, you cannot affordto assume the, the perspective andsome of your key stakeholders, youknow, because that will lead toyou, making some decisions that arepotentially too quick, oftentimes very costly,not only to your professional reputation,but also to the organization itself.So, you know, the, the advicehere is just the always makesure that you're opposing, as you'rethinking about the decisions that you'remaking and really, really, really consider,you know, what is it thatyou're trying to do?What resources that you need.And most importantly, who are thepeople need to know, and alsofor the people who need tobe involved in making these decisionsso that you can make wisedecisions.All righty.So just the recap we goback to, there are five commoncareer stallers.These could happen to anybody.I mean, I've lived through acouple of my own career.Stallers I even know what mycareer stallers are.I'm going to give you anopportunity to investigate if you haveany potential career stalls in justa moment, but just keep inmind that it doesn't matter whereyou are in your career, howseasoned you are, these can happenat any time and their heart'sself-diagnosed.And that's why it's so importantthat we do what we're goingto do next.And that is taken out ofthat assessment.When we talk about career stallersw we really talk about twothings.I mean, there, there are twobig categories of career stallers thatthat Korn ferry brings up.And, and to that, I, thatI seen so much in theleadership, the government programs and withthe executive coaching than I dowith folks and people tan toguest on, in their careers, whenthey have trouble with people, orwhen they have trouble with results,you got to remember that.Cause we, we, we talk about,you know, like one of thosecompetencies was driving for results, right?And there, there are two bucketsand driving for results.It's like, can you get thepeople to do the work? Andthen can you produce, if youcannot do both of those thingssimultaneously your career is going toget it in your career isgoing to suffer for it.And ultimately the organization that youwork with is going to sufferbecause of your inability to overcomethese things.So it's not a resource packet.I have a sheet here, I'mgoing to bring it up onscreen, and it's gonna allow youto assess, you know, do youpotentially have any career stallers orstoppers? If you look on pagetwo, you will see that wehave kind of what I calltwo factors.And we just mentioned those, youknow, that's trouble with people andthen there's trouble with results.I'm going to tell you howto read through this.You don't have to take thetime right now to go throughit, but I strongly encourage youtoday.When you get done, he hassome time, but you know, offmaybe, maybe during your lunch break,when you get home, I wantyou to think about your careerstalls and stoppers, the way thissheet works here, this assessment, youactually going to start at thefar, right?So you're going to be askingyourself, have you ever heard thisfeedback? So for instance, I'm lookingfor, you know, has anyone eversaid, Hey, Jay, I doing rehab.He, you know, he's, he, youknow, he doesn't take criticism verywell or that, you know, man,he's, he's intractable.Like, you know, whatever you sayhe is, you know, he's notflexible.He's not going to change.And you know what? He wasa real dynamo trainer, you know,thinks that his way is right.So I think he's a littlebit stuck in the past.Right? You can see how thisgoes.If you, if you've ever heardany of that feedback, you checkthose bits of feedback and thenyou work your way over tothe left a little bit.So if you've heard this feedbacknow start thinking about the stallor a stopper you might belooking at.So when I look at thisfeedback right here, you know, ifI'm defensive, if I'm flexible andI'm stuck in the past, thatmight mean that one of mystallers is being defensive.And then another Staller of minemight be that I'm a blockpersonal learner.Maybe I just think that myway is best because I've beenexcelling at what I did forso long that I'm not willingto learn anything new.So out of all of thatfeedback, I have two potential stallersand stoppers underneath this one ideaarea of not relating well toothers.And that is something that relatesto potentially having trouble with people.I'm going to pause there andjust see what questions you mighthave about this assessment since we'renot going to do this together,but I just want to makesure you understand that.So when you take it aboutwith you, that you can getsome real value out of this.I'm just going to 30 seconds.I'll look at chat or youcan come off mute.Let me know if you haveany questions about this thumbs upor a why we're yes.Or whatever the chat, if you'reall good with that assessment andyou can do it a solo.Yeah.Pretty good.Yes.Alrighty.Very good.Very good.So I'm going to hop backinto our presentation and we aregoing to talk a little bitabout management and leadership.If I can find more presentation,again is hiding is always hiding.All right.Where were you? There we go.Okay.Now, and again, we just askyou to consider, you know, whatare, what are some of theconsequences, if you don't address your,your stolen behaviors.And, and I think that itkind of becomes self evident.You know, it's very possible thatyour, your career stall or itcan be just that it willstall you out where you areinside of your growth trajectory asa professional and at worse, youknow, if you can't overcome somethingthat's a Staller and you trulybecome stuck, it might, it couldvery well, you know, spill theend of, you know, where areyou functioning at in your careerin that present position?So it's, it's very important thatwe just be aware of whatI saw was a stock warsare and give ourselves honest feedbackthere.Okay.So I want to talk alittle bit just about the roleof a people manager and thenkind of disambiguate this idea of,you know, being a manager versusa leader, and they were goingto talk about overall engagement withyour tape.So when we're looking at, youknow, your role as a peoplemanager, you know, when you, whenyou move into these positions andagain, regardless of how long you'vebeen, you know, in your role,there are kind of like threemajor things that happen to shift.When you move away from beingan individual contributor or even alower level supervisor into like highertiers management, you gotta find thatyou have, you know, even moreresponsibility for managing people and havingmore accountability around that.Of course, you know, as yougrow up that manager, you're trainingup the manager of chain, you'regoing to have more administrative duties.And then also you've got tohave some responsibility for coaching anddevelopment.So when we think about, youknow, high levels of people managementresponsibility, I know w we're thinkingabout things like now, now ultramanager, not only do you haveto do your work, but nowyou also have to make surethat other people are doing yourwork and so are doing theirwork.And so with that, you know,kind of, kind of these higherlevels of responsibility, you'll be doingthings like interviewing employees and making,hiring decisions.If that's in your purview, youmight be training people.And then you have like, allthese administrative duties as a manageris scheduling, right? I mean, ifyou work, if you work abranch, you know, did that fora while.And the scheduling is always, ohmy goodness.You know, you're trying to balance,you know, desk hours and, youknow, keeping the building open with,and, you know, finite bodies.So they're scheduling, excuse me.And then you have like theseitinerant HR issues that you haveto contain with too.Even if you don't work inHR, you have to deal withthings like ADA compliance.You have to deal with, youknow, potential issues of sexual harassment,workplace discrimination.You know, sometimes you have todeal with like harassment from employees,you know, you know, messing withthe staff members.And unfortunately all these things thathappen all the time, but there'slike the administrative duties that goalong with it.And then finally you have thisresponsibility for coaching and developing employees.You know, when we were individualcontributors, we were oftentimes on thereceiving end of that coaching andthe receiving end of that developing.But now that now that you'rea leader, you have to beable to, in time to dothis, you know, for the peoplethat work with you.And it's not only coaching forperformance, because I see a lotof managers kind of get stuckthere.It's, you know, you know whatpeople are constantly thinking about, youknow, how can we help Vicky,you know, be more effective withour regions advisory? You know, howcan we, how can we helpVicky? You know, you know, youknow, shell, shell more books, orbecome more conversant with our newebook collections, right? It's all aboutperformance.But beyond that as managers, wealso have to be coaching fordevelopment because the people that workwith us, they bring their wholeselves to work.And, you know, not only dowe rely on like our salesand our teams to, you know,do the work that keeps theorganization going and producing value forour communities, but we also havethis responsibility for growing other peopleso that, so that they canget what they need out oftheir careers and what they needprofessionally.And when you have that reallygood synergy and that alignment between,you know, here's what a personcan be doing a should bedoing for their work.And here's what they want todo.I mean, it just creates likethis beautiful bow and that's whatwe all ideally want to be.But that's something that I cantalk about at, and all ofthem in another session.But the whole point here isto just remember that when itcomes to coaching, we're not onlydoing it for helping people geteven better at what they do.We're also doing it because it'sthe right thing to do togrow the people that we workwith.I have a quick video, Iwant to show from the JohnKotter.He is a professor at Harvarduniversity, one of the preeminent thinkersaround management theory.The main basically if you've manageda project and had anything todo with change in the lastyou've probably read an article byKotter, or you've probably read abook or books by him, andwhat I want to do, hehas a quick video, maybe fourminutes long.And it talks about the perilsof confusing management with leadership, becauseoftentimes people use these terms interchangeably,and they're not.So I'm going to play thisvideo and let's see what Connorhas to say about the differencesbetween managing and leading.The two words management and leadershipare often used as synonyms.That is to say people don'tbecause notice that in one sentence,they're saying one sentence, they're saying,and they're thinking, they're saying thing,whatever it is, or they thinkthat the guys on top doleadership, whatever that is.And the guys in the middlelower doing management, both are wrong.Both of the anchors.So both are increasingly a problemin a world that's changing faster,faster.Let me explain management has believeit or not mostly been inventedin the last century.And we've created these modern thingsthat we take for granted orskill organizations.And it is about a setof processes that make something function,despite the fact that it canbe in multiple locations, many peoplecomplicated product.Okay.I'm just going to pause this.I believe that we're having apotential difficulty with the volume ofthis video.No worries.I will make sure that, thatthis video is included inside ofthe south, the website that wehave as the, as the followupfor this class, we can getall the resources, but essentially, andI can just sum it upa year and we can talkabout those differences in management andleadership.And that is, you know, Connorreally points out this, this dichotomythat we're seeing here, you know,in managing and se was sayis about getting a work downaccording to policies and procedures andprocedures, the work gets done, right.It gets done on time andresults are, you know, they're predictable.And they happen with order andstructure, right? Management is really thereto help us uphold the, thehierarchy that is any organization.You know, we have, we haveservices to, to produce, we havevalue to produce to our communitiesand to our patrons and toour customers and management.It is it's that framework thatenables all that good stuff tohappen.It's it's it's dealing with thebudgets is making sure that theschedules are right, is making surethat people are not breaking thelaw, that we're being ethical inwhat we do.But leadership is a little bitmore than that.And leadership, as you can seehere at Kado was say it'sabout providing direction through a communicatedvision, especially during times of change.And we all know that we'regoing through a lot of changeright now.We live in a very volatileand uncertain world.So leaders have to be ableto motivate and inspire people toget things done together.And leaders also are about developingpolicy of working relationship and makingsure that those relationships are inplace when new challenges arise.And so what I want youto do is just, we're goingto do a quick brainstorm inchat and what I, what Iwant everybody to do is justthink about in your day today and keeping in mind this,this definition of managing and leadingand your day to day, justgive me a quick 30 seconds.Like all the things that youcan think of in your day-to-daywork as a, as a peoplemanager, that's all about managing, justdrop that into the chat boxright now, just the managing piece.And then we're going to dothe same thing for leading.So right now, 30 seconds, everythingyou got that relates to managing,alright, got results coming in already.We've got caught in the sameproblem.Solver, payroll, scheduling, scheduling staff time.Absolutely.What else? Keep them coming.Y'all yup.Important policy and procedure.You have performance reviews, delegating andcoaching.Yep.Protocols, protocols, protocols, you know, we're,we're all about them libraries.All right.And so these are some goodones.So let let's just go aheadand flip it.And I want you to thinkabout in your day to daylife, what are some things thatyou would consider leading versus managing?All right.Encouraging innovation.Team-building yay.I'm all for team building.All right.I'll let that out from aroundthings that we do that arelate.Well, you know, I think, youknow, even with, even with justthis handful of responses, you know,I think that we all canagree that in our role aspeople managers, we're not one orthe other.And that's the point that Carter'sreally trying to make here with,with disambiguating managing versus leading inorder for us to be effectiveoverall leaders, we have to doboth, you know, we have tobe good at, at managing thepeople and the work.And we also have to begood at leading the people inspiringand inspiring folks and building therelationships so that we can continueto grow organizations that make realimpact.And, and, and I think thatwhat you'll find too is asyou keep going through, and thenyou list out many instead ofmanagement and leadership, you know, ifyou, if you put these out,like in a collage, they're goingto be some that they're goingto be some of these tasksthat straddled the line, because, becausea lot of it is kindof situational.You know, for example, now thinkabout training, right? So training couldbe training.It could be managing or leading.You know, if you are trainingsomeone, you know how to usethe ILS in a certain way,you know, that might be moremanagement, but if you are aconducting a training class on the,you know, on, you know, developingothers, you know, that that mightbe, that might be a leadingthing.Or, you know, you could bedoing a training class and youcould be not training someone howto use, how to use anILS, but you could have aone staff member train another.And so the trainee that mightbe a management task that you'redoing toward the trainee.But if you're developing the trainer,that staff member, who's delivering thetraining, that might be a leadership,they make us, it is challengingthem to grow beyond what they'rein.So, so of course there's overlap.The main thing here is thatyou can't just do one, youhave to do them both.And they both compete for ourtime on a day-to-day basis.The last thing that I reallywant to get into today, becauseI know that we are approachingthe end of our time heretogether, really want to talk about,you know, engaging our teams becausethat's where the rubber meets theroad.If we are going to bethe most effective leaders that wecan be, we can't be goodleaders.If we don't have a teamof individuals who are fully engagedin what they're doing and supportingthe, the very important work thatthe library is doing and thework that you are working withthem and delivering.So, so that's what I wantto kind of talk about.We're just going to get intothis piece around, excuse me, youknow, driving for results.Now, I'm going to ask yousoften, when you think about yourjob right now, and this isgoing to be another thing lashto put in chat, you thinkabout your job right now.What engages you? I mean, like,what is it that keeps youhooked Dan and emotionally invested inthe work that you're doing.So just go ahead and tellme, like, what's the most thingsthat keep you engaged.Yeah.And as you're thinking and puttingin your responses and chat, andI look forward to staying stumbleover those, I mean, I thinkabout, you know, like what keepsme engaged in the work thatI do, you know, a bigpart of why I do whatI do now with Ajay isbecause like, I am engaged notonly in my work, but inmy life when I feel likeI'm truly helping people, oh, youknow, become the best that theycan be.So I'm looking forward to doingthings just like today, you know,hopping on you have, I havea handful of folks from libraryland, which I love near, anddear is a place that's closeto my heart and just beenable to share, you know, shareinformation and try to build otherpeople up.I mean, that keeps me engaged.All right.We've got a lot of thingscoming in over here now.So, you know, it's the, youknow, the people, you know, boththe employees and the customers, I'mmissing some customer service.Y'all I really do.You know, there's a passion forlearning more each day.There's a level of staff.I keep saying like, like staffcomes up repeatedly, you know, it'sthe staff, it's having the staffand the initiative and the creativity.And then also like these opportunitiesto collaborate.You know, these are all verypowerful reasons of why we stayengaged.And so, you know, we knowwhat engagement looks like for us,and I'm sure that we cansee it in other people thatwe work with.Now, I want to kind offlip this around a little bit,and again, I'm going to haveyou continue to press participate inchat.And my question is, okay, well,what does disengagement look like whenthe folks on your team arebecoming disengaged? I mean, what aresome of those things that yousee or that you hear, orthat you sent? What, you know,that something's not right.Go ahead and put those inchat for me.Okay.Right.Yeah.We get people seeking out, getapathy.Yeah.Frustration people had out of theoffice.Yeah.A lot with Jennifer saying, youknow, a catalog, you can see,you can see the dollar signin it.They're just kind of going throughthe motions of everything.Yeah.These things are, you know, ththese, these are all very common,you know, outward signs of disengagement,you know, his absenteeism, his attitudeof that loss of enthusiasm, becausethey have the body language and,you know, people's shoulders are slob,you know, performance drops.Maybe you had like a staremployee that used to do likea little bit extra and they'll,they don't be a little bitextra and that's no knock againstthem.You know? I mean, they don'thave to do extra, but you,but, but it's noticeable.They're just like, eh, yeah, notanymore.And then also people might, youknow, mention more often that theyfeel overworked, excuse me.So, you know, like what wehave to realize as leaders isthat, you know, we can seedisengagement, there are elements of disengagementthat are within our control, butsometimes there are parts of disengagementthat are outside of our control.And so beyond just being ableto identify like when our teammembers are, you know, becoming disengagedand kind of, and kind ofcome in what we call outof the steam, you know, weneed to really understand, well, wheredoes disengagement come from? You know?And, and so there's a, there'sa great body of research bya gentleman named Lee Brannum andlead Branum as the founder ofa firm call, keeping the peopleand, and, and at least recognizeit's like really one of theseforemost thinkers around employee engagement inLisa as, okay, Hey, I getit.We can see disengagement, but let'sunpack that and understand why dopeople become disengaged?And so Lee has come upwith what we call like fourcontinental human needs.And, and when one or moreof these needs aren't met, theycan lead to disengagement.So the four fundamental human needs,they only need a screen tohear their trust hopes as aself-worth and competence.So, you know, when we talkabout trust, we all know thattrust is the building block ofany relationship and at work.There's no real difference in that.And so if we want tomake sure that we have engagedstaff members, our staff members haveto be able to trust usas leaders.And they also have to beable to trust the organization thatthey work in.So know, so like our, ourstaff members, they rely on usto be as transparent as possible.They are really looking for usto deliver on our promises.They're also looking to us tolike really invest in them.They need to feel that theycan trust us and trust theorg when they come to workat the speaking of like investingin others by best fundamental humanneed.That's hope, you know, we allneed something to latch on toemotionally, like we all need hope,and we have to believe thatwhen we're coming to work andwe're giving out all, and weknow that we have so manystaff members and you can seea day-to-day, they're giving their all,and you know, and Hey, youknow, bottom line is ain't nobodyto get enriched doing this kindof work.Right.I mean, so, you know, likepeople need to be able tobelieve in that and hope thatif they do good work, theywill be recognized for their goodwork.You know, even if you can'tfinancially reward them, you know, peoplewant to be recognized.And also people want to hopethat if they do a goodjob, and if they're making theright types of decisions to reallykind of go along with aprogression, so to speak that theymight have an opportunity at doingsomething else at a higher responsibilitylevel, whether it's within the organizationor not.And so we have to makesure that we keep that hopealive for our staff members, eventhough I know we can't promisethem a job, I know thatwe can't promise them more money,but I may, but we caninvest in them, but we canshow that we care by havingthose development conversations, really trying tounderstand what is it that thisperson wants to do as theirnext career step understanding, you know,what are the kinds of projects?What are the kind of intereststhat they have that they wantto display?So they hope that they cangrow to something else better, hopefullywithin your organization.And then third, this other fundamentalhuman need is having a senseof self worth.I mean, the bottom line is,you know, we, we come towork, we bring our entire bodiesto work.And oftentimes, you know, in ourlives, sometimes at home, you know,we might not be getting asense of self-worth and what wedo sometimes at work, we don'tget a sense of self-worth andwhat we do, but as leaders,it's very important that we helppeople understand and recognize the valueof what they're doing.You know? I mean, how about,how about giving somebody just likekudos, right.Hey, good job.High five out a boy anda girl, you know, and athing.I mean, like literally, you know,recognize that that people are doinggood work, even when there's notthat financial incentive that's attached toit.You know, and what I findtoo is that oftentimes and ourorganizations, and we're so busy withthe day-to-day and we're so busyputting out fires that, you know,the, that many of the timeswe only give feedback to someonewhen the feedback is not positive.Right.Am I preaching to the choir?I know what that feels like.You know, I, I know personallywhat it feels like, where theonly feedback you get is whenJay's done something wrong, but youknow, how about as leaders? We,we take the time to recognizewhen someone does something, right.And don't wait until it's timefor their mid-year review.Don't wait until it's time fortheir annual review.You know, I mean, if, if,if, you know, if customers aregiving good feedback, save those commentcommerce, you know, if someone's coworkersgiven, given good feedback, and they'vegiven it to you as themanager pass that on to somebody,right.Don't wait to these periodic times,but don't wait to have astep somebody's risk to give themthe good stuff, give it tothem often, you know, so thatpeople can feel that when theycome to work and then finallythe other human need that weall have is, excuse me, it'scompetence.We all need to feel competentin what we do.And so I'll have to callthese like work kind of likeGoldilocks work.You know, you don't want tobe too hard.You don't want to be toosimple.You want to be just right.What happens is if you givesomeone work that is too challenging,you know, and they're not readyfor it from a, from aprofessional development standpoint, you know, thatstaff member can easily become defeated,particularly if that person was alreadyhigher performing.And then, and then you givethem something that's too far outsideof their, outside of their range,where they all right, then thatperson can get to the point.Now I can get disappointed anddefeated.And it ended might also beone of the first few timeswhen they've actually failed at something,you know, so you don't wantto make it too hard, butthey had conversionally, you know, they'vegiven someone a work and responsibilitiesthat are too easy.I mean, what's going to happen.They're going to get bored.And then we all know thatI don't has to the devil'sSteve.So we have to be lookingat aligning people's scales with whatthe right level of challenge, andalso hopefully the right level ofinterest.And so I bring up allof these for fun found fundamentalhuman needs for a reason.Again, you know, if one ormore of these four needs arenot met, you run a higherrisk of someone becoming disengaged atwork.So we also, so we alwaysneed to be thinking about, youknow, am I meeting these fourneeds?And the people that all mystaff, I have a resource foryou, it's not with the packet.It is, it is a worksheet,literally the four fundamental human needs.You will see.I mean, I just kind ofhave a snippet of it hereon the screen.You know, this is something thatI've found useful.You know, when, when I manageteams, it's thinking about, okay, likewho are all the individuals thatare on my team, whether they'remy direct reports from our projectteam, what have you, and thenlike, what's their engagement level? Arethey, is it high? Is itmedium? Is it low? And ifsomeone is suffering from, you know,low engagement or, or medium tolow engagement, well, think about, youknow, like what fundamental, humid andaid, you know, that you cansee might not be, might notbe being met.All right.And so like, if you reallythink about this person, they havea low engagement on your teamand, and you get a sensethat lately they've been talking about,like the projects that you've giventhem has been too difficult andthey're frustrated.Well, you know, I mean, maybeone of the human needs thatyou need to address this competence,you know, maybe, maybe he gaveus when it's too hard, youknow, and then you have tobe thinking about, you know, oh,what are the actions that youcan do to help, you know,kinda mitigate those, any of thosefundamental human needs that are notbeing met? The last thing Iwant to say here around engagement,and these are things that can,that are sudden, I call themshocking events.Sometimes people can be having allof their fundamental human needs met,but they can be, but thoseneeds can be trumped by whatwe call a shocking event.People quickly fall out of thesteam.People will quickly fall out ofengagement when stuff like this happens,right, is someone has worked reallyhard.They've prepped the interviews and everything.They feel like they have agreat portfolio and they feel thatthey are the right candidate forthis job.And then they get skipped forpromotion.That's a shocking event.And that can knock, you know,that can not so much asengagement down big time when ithappens.Other things that happen.Sometimes it happens outside of theoffice, right? If you have afamily emergency, someone's really sick, youknow, your family, that can bea shocking event that makes yourengagement very challenging.You know, I will be thefirst to tell you that, youknow, many years ago I was,I was working for the Americanred cross and at 15 yearsold, you know, we found outthat my, my oldest Simon's fora brain tumor, you know, just,we didn't know what it was.It was something setting this upsocial sudden.And I was leading, you know,the very large national project thatwas, that that was worth overa million dollars.And I, and I couldn't engage.I mean, like my heart wasn'tin it.And like my performance tanked, youknow, all because I had thiscrisis with a family member.And so it, but it tookan attentive leader to recognize that,Hey, something's not right with Jay.Let's try to understand what's goingon and see if we canoffer you some air cover whilehe like, you know, takes careof his family.And also what can we doto get him involved in somework that's gonna be like suitableright now for competence, because hedoesn't have the full emotional bandwidth.So you have to be thinkingabout those kinds of things.And then finally, you, oftentimes weget these shocking events where they'rethe change that happens from thetop and we just don't getit.I mean, a lot of uswork forward, you know, you know,county governments or state governments, whathave you, there might be changes,you know, from a budget perspectiveor from a, from a legalperspective that impacts the entire organizationand therefore impacts the people thatwork in that organization.And we just don't get it.So I feel like that canbe a shocking event and itcan immediately knock us out ofengagement.And so the big takeaway hereis to be thinking about thosefour fundamental human needs also considered,you know, like some of theseshocking events.And so if you notice thatyou have someone on your teamthat is displaying lower engagement, bethinking about, well, why is that?And then what can I doas a good leader to helpbring them back into a state?I know we've covered a wholelot of ground the day.And so, you know, and I'msure that there might be flushedas I'm happy to take yourquestions like asynchronously, or even ifyou have more time you, I,to stay on a little bitlonger and, and, and answer anythingthat you might have come up.But what I want to leaveyou with is that when itcomes to leadership is not aboutthe title.It ain't about the position.It's not about the flow chart.It's about what we do toinfluence the life of other people.John Maxwell said that best, andI believe that there was atruism that we all can liveby.So thank you all very muchfor the 90 minutes that y'allhave given me today.Hopefully you've given you some thingsto think about why you don'tnecessarily step in the leadership, butthat you really climb on topof it and be as successfulas you possibly can be.All right.So floors opened.If you have any questions, ifnot, don't worry.I have all the contact information.We'll make sure that we getyou the follow up recording aswell as the other resources thatbelong with this class, from thewebsite that I built for youall.All right.So I'll stay on and Dickie,I'll turn it back over toyou